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03/17/2014 08:00 AM Senate EDUCATION


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+= SB 195 POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION LOANS/GRANTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 195 Out of Committee
+= SJR 23 CONST. AM: STUDENT LOAN DEBT TELECONFERENCED
Moved SJR 23 Out of Committee
+= SB 100 EDUCATION GRANTS; CORRS STUDY; ALLOTMENTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSSSB 100(EDC) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
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          SB 195-POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION LOANS/GRANTS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:08:23 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS announced the consideration of SB 195.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ANNA  FAIRCLOUGH,   Alaska  State  Legislature,  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska,  reviewed SB  195. She  said bill  makes substantive  and                                                               
housekeeping changes  to the Alaska State  Statutes regarding the                                                               
Alaska  Commission on  Post-secondary  Education  and the  Alaska                                                               
Student  Loan Corporation.  These  changes  include allowing  the                                                               
commission to set favorable terms  for borrowers and increase the                                                               
total loan  limit a  student may  borrow. Currently,  loan limits                                                               
have  not been  changed in  almost 20  years. The  cost of  post-                                                               
secondary  education  has  almost   doubled  since  1995.  Alaska                                                               
students and  their financial aid officers  report that borrowers                                                               
with a  high unmet cost  of attendance are  increasingly choosing                                                               
loans  with  higher loan  limits,  even  those that  have  higher                                                               
interest rates.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
She explained that  this bill defines what an  on-time student is                                                               
so that they  can reach and accomplish their goals.  It enables a                                                               
student  to  enter the  workforce  earlier  and enter  repayments                                                               
sooner so  that they  have less  debt to  carry. There  is strong                                                               
evidence that shows the correlation  between the intensity of the                                                               
enrollment of a student and their completion rates.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked who the bill  would affect and how many years                                                               
the loan can be used.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH deferred to Diane  Barrans to answer. She said                                                               
on page 13, lines 12-14, it  takes the loan limit from $42,500 to                                                               
$56,000  and  from  $60,000 to  $87,000  for  undergraduates  and                                                               
graduate   students   respectively.    The   bill   also   allows                                                               
consolidation of loans.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  asked how many  years the  loan is available  to a                                                               
student.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DIANE  BARRANS,   Executive  Director,   Postsecondary  Education                                                               
Commission,  Department   of  Education  and   Early  Development                                                               
(DEED), Juneau, Alaska, answered  questions regarding SB 195. She                                                               
explained that  there is  not a  limit on the  number of  years a                                                               
student can access the loan; there is a total dollar amount.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS inquired if part-time students can receive a loan.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said they can be  part-time students and they have to                                                               
be matriculated into a degree or certificated program.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS noted the presence of Senator Gardner.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GARDNER   understood  that  currently  a   student  with                                                               
multiple loans is  required to pay the oldest one  first, not the                                                               
one with the highest interest  rate. She asked about the interest                                                               
rate and  impact of  consolidated loans, as  provided for  in the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:12:53 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BARRANS clarified  that Senator  Gardner's understanding  is                                                               
not correct. As  long as the student's other loans  are paid to a                                                               
current status, they can prepay  any loan they select. Paying the                                                               
highest rate  loan first  would be to  their benefit.  She stated                                                               
that consolidation is  done at the prevailing rate,  which is 7.3                                                               
percent  now. Currently,  the only  education loans  eligible for                                                               
consolidation  are Alaska  state loans;  SB 195  would allow  for                                                               
other loans.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked if the provisions  in the bill would apply to                                                               
parent loans.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said they would.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN  asked for  additional information  regarding the                                                               
7.3  percent  interest  rate  and why  there  is  no  forgiveness                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:14:31 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  BARRANS replied,  with  respect to  the  interest rate,  the                                                               
market  environment  post-2008  has  substantially  changed.  The                                                               
rates have  risen substantially.  Currently, the loan  volume has                                                               
dropped  to the  extent that  the corporation  can use  available                                                               
cash  to fund  loans.  The previous  legislation,  SJR 23,  would                                                               
allow the  corporation to leverage  the AAA rating of  the state,                                                               
even though  the bonds would be  paid down with revenue  from the                                                               
loans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
She addressed the forgiveness program  question. She related that                                                               
the loan forgiveness  program was a very  generous program funded                                                               
through 1987.  As a  result of the  fluctuation of  oil revenues,                                                               
that program  was eliminated. The corporation  was established in                                                               
1987  for the  purpose of  allowing  student loans  to become  an                                                               
enterprise operation of the state.  She added that the only thing                                                               
keeping the  corporation from  instituting a  forgiveness program                                                               
would be making funding available to pay the costs.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN asked if the borrower  would be better off with a                                                               
forgiveness program or with a 7.3 percent interest rate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  replied that very  few students enjoyed  any benefit                                                               
from the  forgiveness program.  When looking  at the  almost $500                                                               
million of loans that the state  funded, fewer than 30 percent of                                                               
the  students  enjoyed any  benefit.  Only  21 percent  of  those                                                               
received  the full  50 percent  forgiveness and  the cost  to the                                                               
loan program was  larger in loan write-offs  from individuals who                                                               
failed  to repay  the  debt  than the  cost  of loan  forgiveness                                                               
itself. About $74  million in loans were forgiven.  She noted she                                                               
was one of  those who benefitted from loan  forgiveness. She said                                                               
it  would depend  on  which of  those students  you  were, as  to                                                               
whether  or  not  it  would  be  more  beneficial  to  have  loan                                                               
forgiveness. The mind set of  borrowers during that time was that                                                               
it wasn't really a loan.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS  said  he  also   received  loan  forgiveness.  He                                                               
remarked that if  people spend five years working  in Alaska they                                                               
will probably  stay. Legislators  have always  liked the  idea of                                                               
loan forgiveness.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:19:05 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN  said he also  had a forgiveness loan.  He opined                                                               
that a person  who signed a note  in the 80's was  under the same                                                               
payback obligation as  someone today. He said he has  a hard time                                                               
drawing a conclusion  that there was a different  attitude in the                                                               
past.  He  suggested  that  underwriting  requirements  could  be                                                               
rectified.  He  said the  state  has  some tools  available  that                                                               
should be  considered for the future.  He noted that a  7 percent                                                               
interest rate  is a whole  lot different than  50/50 forgiveness.                                                               
As far  as a policy call,  the state has tools  available to use.                                                               
The resources in the treasury are  owned by everyone, and he said                                                               
he is  more inclined  to come  up with  a mechanism  to encourage                                                               
students to return to the state.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:21:54 AM                                                                                                                    
MS. BARRANS  said it is  up to the  will of the  legislature. She                                                               
encouraged loan  repayment programs, which are  programs that are                                                               
not entitlements but would pre-fund  an account and could be used                                                               
to pay  down loans  for individuals  who complete  credentials in                                                               
areas that have  economic interest to the  state. The legislature                                                               
created such a program two years  ago that focused on health care                                                               
professions; however,  the budget for  that program has  been cut                                                               
in half.  Individuals were  recruited into  health care  jobs and                                                               
are now  at risk  for not receiving  that benefit.  She concluded                                                               
that SB 195  is more sustainable without  relying on year-to-year                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:23:35 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS said more work is needed on this issue.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH  hoped the committee  would move the  bill out                                                               
of committee. She  said she and Ms. Barrans have  been working on                                                               
SB  195  for  over  a  year  in  order  to  provide  a  tool  the                                                               
legislature can use at its discretion to help assist students.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked Ms. Barrans if she had any further comments.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS  requested  support  of the  bill  and  thanked  the                                                               
sponsor. She summarized  that the key provisions in  the bill are                                                               
the ones that incent on-time  enrollment and expedite the time it                                                               
takes to  get a degree. A  large portion of students  attend part                                                               
time and complete their credentials in very low numbers.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN if  there was an increase in the  number of staff                                                               
needed to manage today's student loan programs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS  explained that the  current loan portfolio  is about                                                               
$500 million  and the staffing  has not substantially  changed in                                                               
numbers. The last significant increase  in staff was in the early                                                               
90's.  Some staff  have been  reallocated  through creating  more                                                               
efficient loan  serving systems.  Staff now provide  outreach and                                                               
early awareness  out of the  Anchorage office, and the  number of                                                               
staff on loan servicing has been reduced.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked how much the loan portfolio was in the past.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS explained  that when the corporation  was making both                                                               
federally guaranteed  and state loans,  it was issuing  in excess                                                               
of $80  million a  year in  loans. The program  was ended  by the                                                               
current administration  in Washington, D.C. in  2008. Since then,                                                               
there  has  been a  rapid  decline  in  the  loan volume  due  to                                                               
Congress's seeking  to protect consumers against  lenders who are                                                               
not  federal  education  loan   lenders.  That  created  barriers                                                               
because  they failed  to make  a distinction  between state-based                                                               
programs and other lenders. The  state can no longer partner with                                                               
schools to recommend  a state loan. The other factor  is that the                                                               
state previously  promoted the federally guaranteed  loan. At the                                                               
same time,  in order to issue  bonds the state had  to change the                                                               
underwriting  criteria so  that students  now have  to be  credit                                                               
worthy or have a credit-worthy  cosigner. She concluded that this                                                               
has  resulted  in  a  decline   rate  for  about  40  percent  of                                                               
applicants.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:29:37 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGGINS asked  if  any schools  are  precluded, such  as                                                               
religious schools.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BARRANS  said   the  requirement  is  that   the  school  be                                                               
accredited or  approved by the  commission to participate  in the                                                               
loan program.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GARDNER  asked if  the  average  18-year-old requires  a                                                               
cosigner.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. BARRANS said yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS opened and closed public testimony.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DUNLEAVY moved  to  report SB  195  from committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations and attached  fiscal note. There being                                                               
no objection, the motion carried.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:31:39 AM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                

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